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22oz triax, not all the same, not even close
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knightsofnii



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont know how FBS's glass, which they stated is V2, would compare, I wont use it, the strands are so thick, and so loosely packed, and the stitching is so big and pronounced, that its all going to translate thru my board and look like hell when finished. The stuff I got from other V2 suppliers was even worse.

I'd build a board with the samples i got just to be curious, but I just dont want to waste all the other stuff I have to do so. It probably builds stuff with good properties, just wont be as asthetically pleasing as what I have.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont' have any problems visually with the FSB stuff. You have to look extremely hard to see any of the threading/stitching or strands.

Sent you a PM though.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Unfortunately, OCV Technical Fabrics no longer makes the CDB200. This was a product from the New Braunfels facility which closed in 2008."

Just received that from Rob, the Key Accounts manager at Owens Corning.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:43 pm    Post subject: fiberglass Reply with quote

Fiberglass Industries:

SXTW2200 Tri axial stitched

I spoke with Buddy Claypool
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:44 pm    Post subject: fiberglass Reply with quote

http://www.fiberglassindustries.com/warp-triax.htm
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doug. Have you thought about going to a lighter triaxial and using a really tight, very light biaxial as a "veil" to stop the impression instead of trying to find something that no longer exists? I'm just sayin'...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brazen wrote:
Doug. Have you thought about going to a lighter triaxial and using a really tight, very light biaxial as a "veil" to stop the impression instead of trying to find something that no longer exists? I'm just sayin'...


uh oh, giving ideas to your competitors?
Are you off the sauce these days?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hahahahhaha shut up Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hahhaa, thanks everyone for the help and ideas. We'll get somethin good no doubt.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brazen yea good tip, i've thought about it... but our current formula is working so good, I'm scared to deviate from it. I'm thinking probably vectorply 22oz is going to be the closest thing if not identical, it's just $$$$, but you get what you pay for Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

steer this one in a new direction....

22oz triax - 746gsm (1oz/sq yard = 33.9gsm)

The stuff I use is 283gsm in the 0 degree, 230gsm in each of +-45 degrees, and minimal 6.8gsm in the 90 degree for stitching it all together.
So that makes it 38% 0 degree, and 31% in each +/-45 degree.

Is this standard? Anyone's different to this greatly?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FYI:
I just looked up Vectorply E-TLX 2200, which I imagine a lot of builders/pros use.

Roll Specifications
Width: 50in / 1270mm Roll weight: 220lb/100 kg roll length: 106 yd / 97 m
Fiber Architecture Data:
0 ° = 12.80 oz/sq.yd / 434 g/sq.m
45° = 5.38oz/sq.yd/182g/sq.m
-45° = 5.38 oz/sq.yd / 182 g/sq.m

So that's 54.4% 0 degree and 22.8% in each of +/- 45 degrees, which is a fair difference to what I am using. My skis must have extra torsional stiffness, but need more core thickness to make up for the reduction in longitudinal fibres.

Do you think there is a sweet spot in these %, or is it all good?

PS. Nice discussion on their web page about why stitched glass (non crimp) is better than woven glass. It's interesting in some of the kingswood skis pics/videos they use some woven glass.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a sample of E-TLX 2200, was actually a huge sample... I love how if i wanted to be cheap, i could keep this venture afloat just by using up the sample materials I have. LOL.

Anyway, the E-TLX, once cured in a board, is very similar to the properties I've been shooting for. However in its stored or un-used rolled up state or whatever, it's super flimsy, it pulls apart and frays super easy. Its harder to cut and work with.

In other news, I've finally found the glass I've been searching for, it was a V2 off the shelf product that they no longer make due to changes in their machinery. They claim to be able to match it with new products. When I find out I'll post more because I may need help with a group buy or something, they usually only sell to distributors. We might have to become one Wink, it'd be worth it just to get you all this wonderful triax Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey MontuckyMadman,

I believe I sold you a roll of triax last year, this is the only brand I ever used and still use it (bought 20+ rolls from a local builder) so I don't know if it's actually a good product or not. How would you rate it compared to the other triax you got an hand on ?
I personnaly don't have any problem using it but as I told, I've never tried anything else..

Thanks !
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